Devotee: It seems that sometime this year, they're going to be flying international flights out of Bhubaneswar Airport.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Devotee: Southeast Asia, Philippines, Fiji, Australia like that.
Gour Govinda Swami: He is just saying we'll start maybe this month, May.
Devotee: Yeah. He said 1st of May, but then he said it'll not be probably two, three months. But that may encourage Thomas Cook and American Express to set up offices here because-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yeah.
Devotee: ... international flights are coming, so that will might facilitate the-
Gour Govinda Swami: So you enquire.
Devotee: Yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: You enquire. You enquire.
Devotee: 'Cause once it's international flights it means many-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yeah, then they set up offices.
Devotee: ... tourists and everything.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. Demons are always doing that things.
Devotee: Ravana.
Gour Govinda Swami: They are always there. Later come for pay. Oh, Pushkaraksha, he's coming and we said, "If I may be one week with you." Supposed to arrive today. He said, "I'll reach India on 6th, and I'll be there in Bhubaneswar on 7th." That means he may be coming by flight from Delhi. So in evening he arrive.
Devotee: He may arrive tonight.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, evening. The Delhi flight arrives in evening. 8:00, 8:00 like this.
Devotee: Only one week?
Gour Govinda Swami: Oh, no, no once a day, one flight a day. Every day there is flight.
Devotee: No, he's only coming for-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, could be with, with me one week. Because I'll leave on 15th.
Devotee: Oh, that's right. That's right.
Gour Govinda Swami: Then he will go to Mayapur, Bhubaneswar. I am going to Vrindavan you see. He's coming with ashes of his wife.
Devotee: Uh-huh.
Gour Govinda Swami: To throw, throw ashes. And I said, "Throw ashes three places, in Puri, in sea, in Ganges, and in Yamuna." He wants him to name it was Yamuna Devi. So in Yamuna she will, he will throw. It's not, not only Yamuna I said, throw it in Ganges, otherwise in sea, in Puri also. So he's coming. First he'll arrive here. Then when I leave, then he go to Mayapur, then Vrindavan, like this. So he may be coming by flight. He said, "I'll reach India on 16th." 17th here means by flight. Otherwise he comes by train, cannot reach today. Tomorrow he may reach.
Devotee: Mm-hmm.
Gour Govinda Swami: Then he also likes to see, coming by flight. So in the morn- evening he may arrive here.
Devotee: Guru Maharaja, you're leaving the 15th or the 16th?
Gour Govinda Swami: 15th.
Devotee: Morning or evening?
Gour Govinda Swami: No, flight is in the evening.
Devotee: Oh, that means he'll be class in the morning.
Gour Govinda Swami: No, flight is in the evening, the Delhi flight. Sometimes changes also. Because that day they went at noon usually, 1:30. Atmaram and Sacinandana, they went to Delhi that day. They went 1:30.
Devotee: They went in the afternoon Sunday?
Gour Govinda Swami: Sunday, yes. So 15th is what date?
Devotee: Next Friday.
Gour Govinda Swami: Friday.
Devotee: I think yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: I think, I think it's in the evening flight, evening flight. Yes.
Devotee: I ask does... Uh, uh, can I change this to ask about another topic? Does Mother Bhumi have karma?
Gour Govinda Swami: Huh?
Devotee: Does Mother Bhumi have karma?
Gour Govinda Swami: Who, Bhumi?
Devotee: Yeah.
Devotee: Yeah. She's suffering so much.
Gour Govinda Swami: (laughs) Yes, suffering because demons are… very low, burdens. Now that in Prithu, Prithu Charitra you see. Yes, Vena, Vena paathya. Yes. Prithu's father Vena, fourth canto.
Devotee: Oh yeah, they disturbed the body of Vena.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, yes. So Prithu's father Vena, at that time Vena was, Vena stopped all Vedic performances. Those are demons, decoits, they created so many disturbances, you see. Then Sadhus cast Vena, it died. Then they thrown the body of Vena, isn't it? From his arm Prithu and his wife Arachi came out. So in Prithu Charitra there were scarcity of food grain, earth was not producing. So Prithu told his citizens complained the scarcity of food, "So you please make arrangements."
Then Prithu said, "Why the earth is not giving food, producing? All my citizens are following the principles of Dharma. Nobody is committing any sinful activity. All are doing performance yajna, giving share, so earth gets her share in yajna. Why not, she's not giving?" So become angry, took up his bow and arrow. Pierced the earth, the earth appeared in the form of cow, you see. Because cow cannot be killed. But Prithu became so angry, "I will kill you, and distribute your flesh to my citizens. Though you be cow, why you are not giving, producing then?" Earth says, "What is the reason?" "Because I will give, produce grain, I've kept it hidden all the seeds of grain in my, uh, in, in me."
You understand? I'll give food if all the citizens will perform yajana, follow the principles of Dharma, and the king will look after it. Nobody, will abuse it. But my grain, the grain produced by me is meant for yagjna, for the service of Lord Viṣṇu. But if they will enjoy it for their self, sense gratification, the demons, they become demons, then there is scarcity. I hid it. I hide it. You understand? I keep it hidden. You see? She says this is the reason why there is scarcity of food.
Devotee: This oil is like the-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: ... mother's, mother's blood?
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: The earth's blood.
Gour Govinda Swami: It produces from the earth, you see. But people are using it for their own sensory pleasure, not using for Krishna's service, Viṣṇu's service.
Therefore, there is so scarcity. This is the only reason. That's what Bhagavatam states and Mother Earth says. Thus, the demons are so heavy burden on me, great burden. So, Supreme Lord appears in many incarnations, kills the demons.
Paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām; dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya sambhavāmi yuge yuge. Fourth chapter of Bhagavad Gita says why I appear, to kill these demons, miscreants, uh, breaking the principles of dharma and persecuting the sadhus. I incarnate myself, descend here to kill them and protect the sadhus. And just, uh, re-establish again the dharma, bhagavata dharma. That is the reason. Oh, so Mother Earth cries. Mother Earth cries. Mm-hmm. So Brahmān demigod, they offer prayer in the shore of milk ocean, Kṣīra Samudrā. Lord Viṣṇu is lying there.
Lord Viṣṇu says, "All right, don't worry, I'm going to kill them." Heavy load, they are great heavy load, demons are, a great burden. So Mother Earth cries, you see. Oh, it's a load. But sadhus are not load. They are not load, sadhu. You understand? In, in Bhagavatam it is mentioned, everything is there in Bhagavatam. Hmm. Unbearable load and bearable load. Do you understand? Unbearable load, heavy load unbearable.
Devotee: Mm-hmm.
Gour Govinda Swami: You understand? Unbearable, painful. You understand? Painful load, unbearable load. Demons, demons. Unbearable load, pleasing load, sadhus.
Devotee: Mm-hmm.
Gour Govinda Swami: You understand? They are pleasing load on earth. They are not unbearable load. Become sadhu, it's pleasing load. Bearably, yes. Demon, unbearable load, painful... displeasing, painful load, that's all.
Devotee: Someone might argue, they read Bhagavad Gita, and Bhagavad Gita expounds on the philosophy of Krishna consciousness and, uh, varnashram system. Someone might think that if it's a superior form of rule, that it should last for a long period of time, and for 5,000 years now, there has been no good kings on the earth. And then we read also that in Kali Yuga, for many hundreds of thousands of years, the earth will go without a proper ruling king.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: So how can we answer-
Gour Govinda Swami: Go democracy there. Democratic government.
Devotee: Yeah, yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: (coughs) Yeah. No, no ruling king, democratic whole, throughout the world, you see. Yes.
Devotee: The earth will almost be like a hell, then.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yeah. It is taking places like hell. Non-dharma, nothing, any sadhus are there, Vaishnavas there, chanting Hare Krishna, some sadhus, though dharma is existing, although how things go on, you see. Still worth to, to go to, to end of Kali Yuga. At the end of Kali Yuga, Kalki will appear to kill mlechchhas. Mlechchhas are mahātmas. Those are not... In spite of all these teachings, Mahaprabhu's philosophy, teaching Vaishnavas, sadhus, teaching, preachings, those who don't accept it, they'll become mlechchhas. They will be killed. Kalki will appear and kill them. (...) That, that there was, (...) Jayadeva’s song is there, Dashavata.
Devotee: Mm-hmm.
Gour Govinda Swami: You understand? It's the end of Kali Yuga. And then, then Satya Yuga will come. But those who accept, take up seriously Mahaprabhu's... join Mahaprabhu's movement, Mahaprabhu's philosophy, accept Gaura Priya Jana, dear devotee of Gauranga, Vaishnavas' guru, strictly follow four regulative principles, chant Hare Krishna. They are not in Kali Yuga. They are in Satya Yuga. Yes. Others are in Kali Yuga.
Kali remains there with them. Yes. And still Mahaprabhu's preaching, preaching is going on, Vaishnavism is going. If someone is fortunate, intelligent, he should immediately accept it. Then he'll be in Kali Yuga. He'll never be affected by Kali. Otherwise, others, those who rest, still stay, still end of, at end of Kali Yuga, they are mlechchhas. They will be killed by Kalki. Yes. Then Satya Yuga will come. No place, there will be no place of Kali.That one accepts this. Mahaprabhu's comes for the Mahaprabhu is, is in Satya-yuga. He's in Satya-yuga. There is no inference of Kali Yuga. The strict followers follow the principles. No fish eating, meat eating. No gambling, no illicit sex. Uh, no intoxication. Well, these are four pillars of sinful activity and Kali rests there. Pariksit Maharaaj gave place to Kali. You understand? Now, they're in Satya-yuga. No inference of Kali Yuga.
Devotee: Maharaj, uh, in morning class, they saying that, uh, there is no other incarnation-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: ... or avatar in this Kali Yuga. But there's now something like Kalki and Buddha-
Gour Govinda Swami: At the end of, end of Kali Yuga. At end of Kali Yuga, Kalki will come. Not in the meantime, no incarnation. The Nama Avatar. Krishna is Nama Avatar, main incarnation. kali-kāle nāma-rupe kṛṣṇa-avatāra.
Devotee: What about Buddha?
Gour Govinda Swami: Kali Yuga
Devotee: Buddha gone. It's gone. Finished. Buddha is gone. He'll never come again.
Devotee: No.
Gour Govinda Swami: When Mahaprabhu came in disguise, disguised incarnation. As Bhakti he came, isn't it? Who is this thing? Nama Avatar. Krishna is Nama Avatar, main incarnation. No more incarnation in meantime. Only at the Kali, end of Kali, this Kalki will appear. No more. No other incarnation. Yes.
Devotee: Gurumaharaj, there's one devotee in America doing some research on Vedic study and that. You know Satyaraj?
Gour Govinda Swami: Satyaraj, yes.
Devotee: He's saying that Mohammed and Jesus Christ are shaktyavesavatars and he says that Mohammed's mentioned in the, uh, Atharva Veda and the Bhaviṣha Purāṇa and Jesus Christ is mentioned in the, uh, I don't know, Atharva Veda as well. And he's saying there, and he's got verses. Is that-
Gour Govinda Swami: I don't know it. Still my Guru Maharaaj says, "Jesus Christ is our guru." He said, Prabhupada said.
Devotee: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: Many Christians have discussions, uh, with Prabhupada. He said, "Jesus Christ is our guru." Yes. Because he is like Haridasa Thakura. He's tolerated. Pasandi’s crucified him, he's tolerated, as Haridasa Thakura tolerated. He's a great devotee, he is. That's the reason he's our guru. Yes.
Devotee: In their Bible, Maharaj, there's a description of, uh, I believe Kalki because he's seen on a white horse and he has a sword and he will kill everyone, it says.
Gour Govinda Swami: The second coming.
Devotee: But it says-
Gour Govinda Swami: Kali Yuga.
Devotee: ... "No one knows the day or the hour," it says, "but of the season you can know."
Gour Govinda Swami: So that is in Kali Yuga. Clear description in Bhagavatam. Kalki appear at the end of Kali Yuga. Yes.
Devotee: They're saying he's coming-
Devotee: He's coming today.
Devotee: Yes, yes.
Gour Govinda Swami: Kali Yuga.
Devotee: Maybe he'll be here-
Gour Govinda Swami: Kalki will come at the end of Kali Yuga. Not coming now.
Devotee: They say every 50,000 years-
Gour Govinda Swami: (laughs)
Devotee: ... it's all gonna happen at the end and it's-
Gour Govinda Swami: Kali Yuga for last 32,000 years. Only 5,000 years has gone, you see? Only 5,000 years have gone. Just beginning. Just beginning. (laughs)
Devotee: There's a, there's a description in the Bible that seems to correspond with the teaching in, uh, that Lord Chaitanya gives about the Golden Age. But it says that the earth will be covered with the glory of God, like the waters cover the sea and it says that the lion will lie down, the li- with the lamb and will go to eating straw like the ox. And the whole earth will be covered with peace. No snakes will bite again, poisonous snakes like that. Is there such a thing, Maharaj?
Gour Govinda Swami: This is Mahaprabhu. Mahaprabhu has done so. Lions, tigers, deer, they all chanted Hare Krishna and danced. Yes. They forgot their... it is, what do you say, mentality. Jealousy. Hinsa. Jealousness. You understand? They forgot. This Mahaprabhu only could do such thing. He had done so. Nobody else can. Yes. Yes, those are such powerful devotees, real devotees of Mahaprabhu, you see, who the mention is there.
Raghunath Dasa Goswami. Raghunath Dasa Goswami was absorbed in thought of Krishna, Radha and Krishna. And, uh, just, uh, sitting there in, what is, Radha Kunda or Shyama Kunda. That place one tiger came and drank water just beside him. He didn't do anything. No question of this mentality of attacking, you see. A ferocious mentality. Complete forgotten that tiger. Yes. You know this. Oh.
Devotee: In the United States there's a Native American people they call Indians and they also have writings. I've read some of their, uh, teachings. They have prophecy and it explains that the teachings of the East, as far as I understand, meaning India, will again be joined with the teachings of the West. And they say the people will have shaved heads. But devotees have not yet been able to reach this group of people. There's no Indians in America made devotees yet.
Gour Govinda Swami: No.
Devotee: So, uh, what do you-
Gour Govinda Swami: Indians have been converted into Westerners there. (laughs)
Devotee: Yeah. They've all been put into reservations. Very persecuted kind of people, but they used to live very natural off the ground. Live off the earth and-
Gour Govinda Swami: Still Indians, Indians are there. So many Indians are there in the Western states, in America, this Canada.... the UK, many places. There's still at least places, many Indians are there. You understand?
Devotee: He means Indians, not, not Indian people. Indians, those with the feathers in their hair.
Devotee: American natives. American natives.
Devotee: American Indians with the feathers. They're even-
Devotee: Yeah.
Devotee: You know, here, they're not native from India. They're from America, not natives. When Columbus saw them, he thought he was going to India so he called them Indian.
Gour Govinda Swami: Uh-huh, huh. That is Columbus.
Devotee: Yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: Was coming to India, but by chance he was there. Thought it is India, so, so those, they are known as Red Indians.
Devotee: Yeah, yeah.
Devotee: Yeah, yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: Red Indians. We are from India, Indian birth, you see. They're staying so many Indians there and they will live so they are keeping up this thing and now they are the supporters of ISKCON in West. Yes, mostly these Indians. Yes, they are the only supporters. Are the supporters. You see, the Indians are support because they, they see and they're thinking we won't support, then our children will be completely spoiled. You see? This Western civilization, you see, so they're supporting and coming to the temple. Thus their little children are coming and following it, otherwise they'll be ruined. Yes, their whole culture and they will be ruined. So out of fear they are doing, out of fear.
Devotee: Yes.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. Fear.
Devotee: It's a problem we have in the West though, there's so few gurukulas.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: And so few parents willing to send their children to gurukula. Srila Prabhupada didn't like this, uh, western school, public school system at all. He called it like slaughter house too, didn't he?
Gour Govinda Swami: Anyhow, those members of International Society for Krishna Consciousness will preach vigorous way, yes. Pray to go and go on, preach, preach, preach. Yes.
Devotee: Maharaji, you were saying the other day that there's big, big problems in the United States now, in New York and also in Los Angeles. When, when devotees see problems like this, should they write to the leaders, to the politicians, and to the local people and, and newspapers and tell them, "We have the answers. We know what needs to be done in order to change things"? I mean, I could write to schools and public schools and get lecturers and things like that set up because by these school systems allowing us to speak here and there, these young children can understand that the real problem is skin disease and that they need to have a different perspective in life. Should we spend time doing that? Writing to these-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. School program, college program, yes, should be done. Yes. Absolutely. (laughs)
Devotee: What about writing to politicians, Maharaji?
Gour Govinda Swami: If you preach to them, writing, if he may respond or not respond, go and approach and preach to them.
Devotee: Yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, preach very strongly to the politician. Yes. If he is intelligent, can understand then this political leader is leading so she can do something, may do something. Yes. Or...
Devotee: (Hindi).
Gour Govinda Swami: What's that? What is? What?
Devotee: He's speaking Oriya.
Devotee: Sorry?
Gour Govinda Swami: What language he speaks?
Devotee: Oriya or Hindi? Oriya?
Gour Govinda Swami: What language speaks?
Devotee: Hindi. ............................. Hindi. He looks like he's a bit intoxicated.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yeah.
Devotee: (Hindi).
Gour Govinda Swami: (Hindi).
Devotee: (Hindi).
Gour Govinda Swami: (Hindi).
Devotee: (Hindi).
Gour Govinda Swami: (Hindi).
Devotee: He's somewhere else.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: (...)
Devotee: (laughs) He's, he's being directed at him.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, he must be…
Devotee: Guru Maharaja, two or three nights ago, you, you spoke about the s- uh, the science of the secret of Bhagavan, Bhagavan Rahasya, and there were four factors. I couldn't get 'em down.
Gour Govinda Swami: Who?
Devotee: I... Could you tell us please what those four are again? You said they were like, talking about trinidad api sunicena.
Gour Govinda Swami: Mahaprabhu's teachings, yes.
Devotee: (crosstalk) Yes.
Devotee: But there were four factors. You'd broke it down to four. [...] or something.
Gour Govinda Swami: [...]. Yes.
Devotee: Oh, each line is one line?
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: Also humble as a...
Gour Govinda Swami: This is-
Devotee: Oh, that's right.
Gour Govinda Swami: Much humbler than a blade of grass, as tolerant as a tree, number two. Number three is don't demand respect. Four, is pay respect to one and all. Yes, this four. Yes, this is secret of bhajan, yes, bhajan also. (car horn hooting)
Devotee: So, with these, these four principles we can chant properly?
Gour Govinda Swami: Properly, yes. That is the mentality should be. Yes.
Devotee: And Guru Maharaj, you were saying that someone who doesn't pay his obeisances to others-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes.
Devotee: ... the Supersoul sees this and he can't become fearless. Is that-
Gour Govinda Swami: Hmm?
Devotee: You were saying that someone who doesn't bow down or doesn't pay obeisances to others-
Gour Govinda Swami: Mm-hmm.
Devotee: ... then he'll not become fearless because the Supersoul can either make you fearless or not fearless. The Supersoul sees that you-
Gour Govinda Swami: Yeah, he sees everything. Supersoul, because he's such a puffed up, proud fellow. He's demoniac nature. Pride is demoniac characteristic. Asuri prakriti. But Vaishnav is humble. Pranada Visuddhi canta abhijanati. He pays to, pays respect to one and all. Krishna distaṅgani. Respect is paid to Krishna. Krishna says, "Maṁ namaskuru." Maṁ nāmi bhagavat-bhaktaḥ mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru. Pay obeisance to him, to me. Only Krishna should be paid respect and paid obeisances. So, Krishna is there in the form of Paramatma in everybody. So, Sadhu pays respect one and all to Krishna in Paramatma form. He sees Paramatma form, so he pays respect.
Then, therefore, vam ani ma na gacchati. You understand? Don't demand respect, pay respect. One and all serve in that way. But in practical field, we have this principle, the superior... Inferior ones should pay public daṇḍavat pranam, namaskar to superior one. Yes, this is practically should be followed here. This teaching to others. The superior should be respected. Inferior should pay respect. So, we pay public daṇḍavat, namaskar to superior persons. Inferior pay respect to superiors. Sadhu is to be worshipped...
Krishna says, sa ca pujyo 'ṁ yathā yaḥ (I Āśvarya Śṭandava Veda - Śrīla Bhakti Raksha Samhita - English Translation by Srila Prabhupada).
Dear devotee, Vaishnava, sadhu, he should be worshipped as I am worshipped. So, sadhu is worshipped by one and all. But sadhu never publicly pays respect to anybody. All should pay respect to sadhu publicly. Daṇḍavat pranam, like this, namaskar. But before you are paying respect, daṇḍavat to sadhu, sadhu has already paid you daṇḍavat in his mind. That is what. In his mind he does so. Hmm.
Devotee: The way I've heard it, Maharaj, is... And the mentality amongst most devotees is that the, the reason that we don't pay daṇḍavats outwardly is because those people are inferior, you know? So then if you pay respects to them, then you're like giving them... Getting some karma from them or something. But I see the real understanding now.
Gour Govinda Swami: Oh.
Devotee: Yeah. Many devotees in the West are contaminated by pride.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, pride. Yes.
Devotee: And it's a really difficult thing to overcome.
Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. Definitely.
Devotee: I've seen so many devotee-
Gour Govinda Swami: You pay respect to Paramatma, not to the body.
Devotee: [...]. Yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: Not to the body. Pay respect to... Krishna distaṅgani. Because Krishna is there, therefore we pay respect one and all.
Devotee: Yeah.
Gour Govinda Swami: We don't disrespect even an ant. Yes. Even an ant. Don't disrespect. Mahaprabhu says, pranah matre mana-vakyam udvega-nandhi kare. Even don't hurt any tiny animal, like an ant. Through your body, mind and speech. Yes. What is this? What is Mahaprabhu's teaching? Yes. Go on. No, don't harm. That guru has a right. (cars honking) Guru when he hits his disciples through body, mind and speech. Yes. Only he has right. Because they'll do... Thereby they'll do Krishna bhajan. That is how noble intention is there. No, otherwise should not be done. Pranah matre mana-vakyam udvega-nandhi kare. This is the way. Chalo jao. [...] All right, thank you.
Devotee: Jaya Srila Gurudev.
Gour Govinda Swami: Jaya Srila Prabhupada Maharaj. (car horn honking)